Автор Тема: Изменение в серверной части Sprint. Просьба высказаться. (+)  (Прочитано 26175 раз)

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SergikCH

  • Гость
по ночам спринт 1.5.3 отваливается каждые 10 минут, спринт 2.0а10 просто не работает :mad:

Unker

  • Гость
Есть такое, лечится пуском спринта через опенвпн.

sekeera

  • Гость
Только настроил через GPRS-Билайн, скорость не более 10Кб/с. и падает менее 2Кб/с. Даже не знаю, что делать? В настройках изменяются только три параметра, а где искать остальные, указываемые в инструкциях :icon_ques.

Alexey123

  • Гость
Ребята, чё за беда со спринтом на Ямале, уже третий день работать невозможно, отваливается и всё тут. Пока неперезапустиш, или вообще потом несоединяется. У кого-нидудь есть такие проблемы?

911

  • Гость
Цитата: Unker
А у меня GPRS отваливается (Utel). После восстановления коннекта спринт не сразу подсоединяется к серверу, а иногда и вообще не соединяется. А хотелось бы чтобы сразу конектил. Как в начале недели отвалится, дак вся сеть без инета сидит неделю...Ужос.
Тока не советуйте менять оператора, у него цены на GPRS в 3 (!!) раза ниже.
У тя какой спутник? У меня на АМ22 с Ютелом никаких проблем-спринт восстанавливается сам. А вот на АМ1 есть такая беда при разрыве ЖПРС спутник тоже сдыхает хотя и лошадь зеленая.

SergikCH

  • Гость
Те же проблемы на ямале, и со спринтом 2.1 и с впн :(  :(  :(

Alexey123

  • Гость
Я тоже попробовал ВПН сегодня-такая же ерунда что и со спринтом.
Меня этот инет, спутниковый, совсем достал, как у наземного провайдера цены такие же станут, я сразу сваливаю отсюда, сколько уже можно терпеть это.

Alexey123

  • Гость
Вот лог со спринта:
19.10.2006 [19:26:53] [INFO] Start http server at port 8080
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [WARNING] Unknown parameter type received
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [WARNING] Unknown parameter type received
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [WARNING] Unknown parameter type received
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [INFO] Port 3128 is opened for service id='0'
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [INFO] Port 3129 is opened for service id='1'
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [WARNING] No such connection 13170
19.10.2006 [19:27:04] [WARNING] No such connection 13170
19.10.2006 [19:27:12] [WARNING] No such connection 14033
19.10.2006 [19:27:13] [WARNING] HTTP error: connect timeout
19.10.2006 [19:27:22] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14034/2/(0/2/)0(3/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:23] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:23] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:24] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14032/5/(0/2/)0(4/3/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:25] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14035/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14041/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14042/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14043/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14036/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14037/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14038/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:37] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14039/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:39] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14040/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:41] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14044/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:43] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14045/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:44] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14046/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:45] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14032
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14034
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14039
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14039
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14039
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14040
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14040
19.10.2006 [19:27:46] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:47] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14047/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:47] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14048/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:48] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:48] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14054/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14053/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14052/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14049/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14035
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14040
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14044
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14044
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14044
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:49] [WARNING] No such connection 14039
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14044
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14040
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14045
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14045
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14045
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14044
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14046
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14046
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14036
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14037
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14038
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14039
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14046
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14045
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14047
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14048
19.10.2006 [19:27:50] [WARNING] No such connection 14047
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14048
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14048
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14041
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14042
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14043
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14048
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14047
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14046
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14049
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14048
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14049
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14049
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14049
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14049
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [WARNING] No such connection 14047
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/14050/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
19.10.2006 [19:27:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/14051/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]



Достало уже всё!!!! Сделайте что-нибудь!!!

Alexey123

  • Гость
Ну и долго руководство ещё в молчанку играть будет? Чё за дела? Ваша подписка стоит 1400, а за что платить я непонимаю. Спринт постоянно отваливается, скорость 1024к ХА-ХА, максимум видел 900к и то на 2 секунды, вы получили деньги и всё???
Хочу сказать что Ваш сервис последние 4 дня просто Д.....МО!!!  
Вот опять лог спринта, инет появляется и умирает:
 
20.10.2006 [20:56:31] [WARNING] No such connection 40180
20.10.2006 [20:56:33] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40184/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:33] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40185/3/(0/3/)0(3/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:33] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40182/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:37] [WARNING] No such connection 40184
20.10.2006 [20:56:37] [WARNING] No such connection 40185
20.10.2006 [20:56:37] [WARNING] No such connection 40182
20.10.2006 [20:56:37] [WARNING] No such connection 40183
20.10.2006 [20:56:37] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40187/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40188/3/(0/3/)0(3/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] No such connection 40180
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] No such connection 40187
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] No such connection 40188
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] No such connection 40189
20.10.2006 [20:56:39] [WARNING] No such connection 40190
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40183
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40191/3/(0/3/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40191
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40188
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40189
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40190
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40183
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40187
20.10.2006 [20:56:40] [WARNING] No such connection 40180
20.10.2006 [20:56:41] [WARNING] No such connection 40191
20.10.2006 [20:56:41] [WARNING] No such connection 40188
20.10.2006 [20:56:41] [WARNING] No such connection 40189
20.10.2006 [20:56:41] [WARNING] No such connection 40192
20.10.2006 [20:56:42] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40194/3/(0/3/)0(3/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:43] [WARNING] No such connection 40193
20.10.2006 [20:56:43] [WARNING] No such connection 40194
20.10.2006 [20:56:43] [WARNING] No such connection 40195
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] No such connection 40192
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] No such connection 40193
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40196/3/(0/3/)0(5/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] No such connection 40194
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] No such connection 40195
20.10.2006 [20:56:44] [WARNING] No such connection 40196
20.10.2006 [20:56:45] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40198/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:45] [WARNING] No such connection 40197
20.10.2006 [20:56:45] [WARNING] No such connection 40198
20.10.2006 [20:56:45] [WARNING] No such connection 40199
20.10.2006 [20:56:45] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40201/3/(0/3/)0(3/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:47] [WARNING] No such connection 40201
20.10.2006 [20:56:47] [WARNING] No such connection 40203
20.10.2006 [20:56:47] [WARNING] No such connection 40202
20.10.2006 [20:56:48] [WARNING] No such connection 40198
20.10.2006 [20:56:48] [WARNING] No such connection 40204
20.10.2006 [20:56:50] [WARNING] No such connection 40205
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] Counter fin, close connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40208/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40207
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40206
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40201
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40208
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40209
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40198
20.10.2006 [20:56:51] [WARNING] No such connection 40207
20.10.2006 [20:56:52] [WARNING] No such connection 40206
20.10.2006 [20:56:52] [WARNING] No such connection 40208
20.10.2006 [20:56:52] [WARNING] No such connection 40209
20.10.2006 [20:57:02] [WARNING] No such connection 40201
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40212/2/(0/2/)0(1/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40210/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[FIN/ACK_NONE/40211/3/(0/3/)0(4/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40210
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40211
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:03] [WARNING] No such connection 40210
20.10.2006 [20:57:04] [WARNING] No such connection 40211
20.10.2006 [20:57:04] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:04] [WARNING] No such connection 40208
20.10.2006 [20:57:05] [WARNING] No such connection 40198
20.10.2006 [20:57:05] [WARNING] No such connection 40210
20.10.2006 [20:57:05] [WARNING] No such connection 40211
20.10.2006 [20:57:05] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40201
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40208
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40210
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40211
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40210
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40211
20.10.2006 [20:57:06] [WARNING] No such connection 40212
20.10.2006 [20:57:38] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40214/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:38] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40215/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:38] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40216/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:38] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40217/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:50] [WARNING] No such connection 40213
20.10.2006 [20:57:50] [WARNING] No such connection 40213
20.10.2006 [20:57:50] [WARNING] No such connection 40213
20.10.2006 [20:57:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40218/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40219/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40220/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]
20.10.2006 [20:57:51] [ERROR] Too many retries without response, close tunnel connection[OPENED/ACK_NONE/40221/2/(0/2/)0(0/0/)]

AlexanderJ

  • Гость
Цитата: Alexey123
Ну и долго руководство ещё в молчанку играть будет?


А на техподдержку не пробовал обращаться?
http://www.d-v.ru/support.htm

Alexey123

  • Гость
Конечно пробовал!!! Написали что это у Вас антивирус и фаирвол такое делают, тока вот им ещё вопрос:
ОНИ ЧЁ,РАБОТАЮТ ПО РАСПИСАНИЮ ЧТО-ЛИ? ТО РАБОТАЕТ ВСЁ НОРМАЛЬНО, ТО НЕТ , ЭТО ЧЁ ЗА ОТВЕТЫ, ЧЁ ТАМ ЗА СПЕЦЫ СИДЯТ, ГНАТЬ  ИХ В ШЕЮ, я сейчас через АДСЛ сижу и пишу это, хотя с утра всё летало!!!
Конкретно сейчас ТУПИТ спринт и ВПН через них скорость никакая, спринт соединяется после запуска минуту!!! Это нормально?

AlexanderJ

  • Гость
Цитата: Alexey123
Написали что это у Вас антивирус и фаирвол такое делают


Ну а если попробовать антивирус и фаирвол отключить на время?

Alexey123

  • Гость
конечно пробовал, полностью отключал, убирал с автозагрузкии и т.д, сейчас всё через спутник идёт супер, но .... через пару часиков опять начнётся, это без сомнения!!! Каждый день так с 7-8 часов по москве и до часов 17, с кратковременной нормальной работой, с часов 17-18 начинает опять всё работать отлично, и так КАЖДЫЙ день.

AlexanderJ

  • Гость
Цитата: Alexey123
Каждый день так с 7-8 часов по москве и до часов 17, с кратковременной нормальной работой, с часов 17-18 начинает опять всё работать отлично, и так КАЖДЫЙ день.


Напрашивается предположение, что дело не в софте, поскольку в нем вряд ли есть такая периодичность (это можно проверить измененнием времени на системных часах компьютера). Может быть дело в перегрузке наземеного канала в рабочее время?

AlexanderJ

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Цитата: Alexey123
Каждый день так с 7-8 часов по москве и до часов 17, с кратковременной нормальной работой, с часов 17-18 начинает опять всё работать отлично, и так КАЖДЫЙ день.

 Такая периодичность вряд ли связана с софтом (это проверяется перестановкой системной даты в комп.). Напрашивается предположение о перегрузке наземной линии в рабочее время или может быть в это время качество линии портится из-за включения каких-нибудь приборов. А как в выходные?
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